{"id":228147,"date":"2024-06-23T19:07:30","date_gmt":"2024-06-23T19:07:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newhampshiredigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2024\/06\/23\/you-cant-just-shove-it-in-there-it-needs-to-work\/"},"modified":"2024-06-23T19:07:30","modified_gmt":"2024-06-23T19:07:30","slug":"you-cant-just-shove-it-in-there-it-needs-to-work","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/newhampshiredigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2024\/06\/23\/you-cant-just-shove-it-in-there-it-needs-to-work\/","title":{"rendered":"You Can&#8217;t Just Shove It In There, It Needs To Work"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>Despite being hailed as a genius, <strong>Rick Rubin<\/strong> has often found himself at the center of controversy. Esteemed musicians like <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/metalinjection.net\/tag\/Black-Sabbath\">Black Sabbath<\/a><\/strong>&#8216;s <strong>Geezer Butler<\/strong> and <strong>Tony Iommi<\/strong>, <strong>Josh Klinghoffer<\/strong>, and <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/metalinjection.net\/tag\/Corey-Taylor\">Corey Taylor<\/a><\/strong> have openly criticized his contributions, while <strong>Rubin<\/strong> himself has admitted that he &#8220;knows nothing about music.&#8221; Yet, his unparalleled ability to elevate artists from <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/metalinjection.net\/tag\/Slayer\">Slayer<\/a><\/strong> to <strong>Johnny Cash<\/strong> highlights his genius, a sentiment echoed by <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/metalinjection.net\/tag\/System-Of-A-Down\">System Of A Down<\/a><\/strong>&#8216;s <strong>Shavo Odadjian<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Reflecting on his experiences working with <strong>Rubin<\/strong>, <strong>Shavo<\/strong> told the <em>Nik Nocturnal Podcast<\/em> (as transcribed by <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ultimate-guitar.com\/news\/general_music_news\/soads_shavo_odadjian_names_key_thing_he_learned_from_rick_rubin_explains_why_some_bands_waste_good_riffs.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Ultimate Guitar<\/a><\/em>): &#8220;When it comes to arrangement and songs, I learned that through watching <strong>Rick<\/strong> work with <strong>System<\/strong> and how everyone kind of worked with <strong>Rick<\/strong> on the first couple of records. I watched that. I was there. I was very present for all that. So, the <strong>Rick<\/strong> mentality of songwriting kind of lasts with me.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Shavo<\/strong> elaborated on how <strong>Rubin&#8217;<\/strong>s methods have become ingrained in his creative process: &#8220;And to this day, I write thinking of how <strong>Rick<\/strong> would arrange [a certain song] \u2014 not how <strong>Rick<\/strong> would do it, but how I was taught. It&#8217;s kind of become a part of my DNA. It&#8217;s mostly <strong>Beatles<\/strong>-style song origins, where you have the chorus, verse, and then the chorus, and then the middle breakdown, the chorus, and it&#8217;s over.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Addressing common pitfalls in song arrangement, <strong>Shavo<\/strong> noted, &#8220;You can&#8217;t just shove it in there. It needs to work. There&#8217;s always that little section you need to build, that links two sections together to make it sound like it belongs there, not you put it there. I&#8217;ve heard song bands that have cool riffs, but they put them back to back, and you just can&#8217;t follow, and you don&#8217;t remember. You don&#8217;t remember a riff. After you&#8217;ve heard the song, there&#8217;s like 10 riffs, and you don&#8217;t none of them become memorable.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The key, according to <strong>Shavo<\/strong>, lies in thoughtful arrangement: &#8220;It&#8217;s just because of how they arranged it. If you have that out and arrange three, four of them in a really good way where they complement each other, then you get something that, when the song is over, either the person wants to re-listen to it, or they are humming it already. It&#8217;s all about the presentation.&#8221;<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\">\n<p>\n<iframe title=\"The SHAVO ODADJIAN (System Of A Down, SHAV) Interview\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/AI8epff4Pq4?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/p>\n<\/figure><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"zox-post-body left zoxrel zox100\">\n<h5>Want More Metal? 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