{"id":295547,"date":"2025-04-06T20:17:41","date_gmt":"2025-04-06T20:17:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newhampshiredigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2025\/04\/06\/the-catholic-culture-podcast-90-leo-xiii-on-the-states-duties-toward-the-church\/"},"modified":"2025-04-06T20:17:41","modified_gmt":"2025-04-06T20:17:41","slug":"the-catholic-culture-podcast-90-leo-xiii-on-the-states-duties-toward-the-church","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/newhampshiredigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2025\/04\/06\/the-catholic-culture-podcast-90-leo-xiii-on-the-states-duties-toward-the-church\/","title":{"rendered":"The Catholic Culture Podcast: 90 &#8211; Leo XIII on the State&#8217;s Duties Toward the Church"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p class=\"date\">Oct 30, 2020<\/p>\n<p>Vatican II\u2019s Declaration on Religious Freedom, <em>Humanis<br \/>\nDignitatae<\/em>, begins by noting that its discussion of religious<br \/>\nliberty \u201chas to do with immunity from coercion in civil society\u201d<br \/>\nand so \u201cleaves untouched traditional Catholic doctrine on the moral<br \/>\nduty of men and societies toward the true religion and toward the<br \/>\none Church of Christ.\u201d This episode is about discovering what that<br \/>\ntraditional doctrine was and is.<\/p>\n<p>Our main source will be Pope Leo XIII\u2019s encyclical <em>Immortale<br \/>\nDei<\/em>, which is available in audiobook form on<br \/>\nCatholicCulture.org. Thomas Pink guides us through a close reading<br \/>\nof this document (with supplementary material from<br \/>\n<em>Libertas<\/em> and <em>Longuinqua<\/em>). Here, and in the<br \/>\nmagisterium of other 19th-century Popes, we find a number of<br \/>\nteachings on Church and State that have gone largely unmentioned<br \/>\nsince the Council, and which are sadly forgotten or even rejected<br \/>\nby the majority of self-described conservative Catholics.<\/p>\n<p>The core point is that the State, like the Church, receives its<br \/>\nauthority from God. Therefore the State has a duty of obedience to<br \/>\nGod, obedience which cannot be arbitrarily limited to what can be<br \/>\nknown by reason, excluding revelation. So, Leo says, the State has<br \/>\nduties to profess, protect and foster religion, and not just any<br \/>\nreligion, but the true Faith:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe Church, indeed, deems it unlawful to place the various<br \/>\nforms of divine worship on the same footing as the true religion,<br \/>\nbut does not, on that account, condemn those rulers who, for the<br \/>\nsake of securing some great good or of hindering some great evil,<br \/>\nallow patiently custom or usage to be a kind of sanction for each<br \/>\nkind of religion having its place in the State.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Other points discussed are these: Leo\u2019s analogy comparing the<br \/>\nrelationship between Church and State to the harmony between soul<br \/>\nand body. The evil consequences of the State\u2019s indifference toward<br \/>\nGod and true religion. The authority of the Church to coerce the<br \/>\nbaptized in fulfilling their religious duties, and to have the<br \/>\nState act as its agent (all the while remembering that the State<br \/>\nhas no authority of its own to regulate the supernatural good of<br \/>\nreligion). Leo\u2019s condemnation of freedom of speech and opinion as<br \/>\ncommonly understood.<\/p>\n<p>It is clear that a docile and orthodox reading of Vatican II<br \/>\ncannot lead us to dismiss prior teachings on Church and State. Yet<br \/>\nthis works both ways: Church teaching is is a unity, so when<br \/>\ndiscussing these older teachings, we must also ask what is the<br \/>\nnature Vatican II\u2019s teaching on religious liberty and how all of<br \/>\nthese teachings can be understood in light of one another. The key<br \/>\nlies in the limited scope of <em>Dignitatis Humanae<\/em>, which<br \/>\nfrom the outset intends only to address religious coercion by the<br \/>\nState, and leaves the duties of the State towards religion<br \/>\nuntouched in both senses of the word.<\/p>\n<p>Though the Church\u2019s teaching on religious liberty is much<br \/>\nfurther from the ideals of the American Founding than many careless<br \/>\nreaders of <em>Dignitatis Humanae<\/em> have assumed, American<br \/>\nCatholics can and must love their country. Therefore we close with<br \/>\nPope Leo\u2019s friendly and encouraging words to the Church in<br \/>\nAmerica.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Contents<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>[3:09] The historical and theological context of <em>Immortale<br \/>\nDei<\/em><\/p>\n<p>[7:52] True and false liberty<\/p>\n<p>[10:38] The two powers of Church and State; their directive and<br \/>\ncoercive functions<\/p>\n<p>[18:40] The State\u2019s duty to profess, protect and foster the one<br \/>\ntrue religion<\/p>\n<p>[24:06] Reasons for toleration of other religions; coercion of<br \/>\nthe baptized<\/p>\n<p>[34:15] Leo\u2019s analogy of Church and State with soul and body<\/p>\n<p>[43:36] Separate sovereignties of Church and State interact;<br \/>\nState can act as the \u201csecular arm\u201d<\/p>\n<p>[49:41] Obligations twd. religion of the State properly<br \/>\nspeaking, not just rulers as individuals<\/p>\n<p>[55:23] Consequences of the State neglecting God and<br \/>\nreligion<\/p>\n<p>[1:03:00] <em>Dignitatis Humanae<\/em>: drafting, intended scope,<br \/>\nlegacy, compatibility with tradition<\/p>\n<p>[1:20:50] Papal condemnations of freedom of speech and<br \/>\nopinion<\/p>\n<p>[1:31:30] The Church\u2019s move away from coercing baptized<br \/>\nheretics<\/p>\n<p>[1:36:33] The importance of docility in accepting difficult<br \/>\nteachings<\/p>\n<p>[1:41:49] Need for a synthesis of the whole magisterium on<br \/>\nChurch, State and religious liberty<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Audiobook of <em>Immortale Dei<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/commentary\/pope-leo-xiii-immortale-dei-on-christian-constitution-states\/\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/commentary\/pope-leo-xiii-immortale-dei-on-christian-constitution-states\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Text of <em>Immortale Dei<\/em> (On the Christian Constitution of<br \/>\nStates) <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/culture\/library\/view.cfm?recnum=4916\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/culture\/library\/view.cfm?recnum=4916<\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Libertas<\/em> (On the Nature of Human Liberty) <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/culture\/library\/view.cfm?id=4885\">https:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/culture\/library\/view.cfm?id=4885<\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Longuinqua<\/em> (On Catholicism in the United States)<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/catholic.net\/op\/articles\/286\/cat\/1198\/longuinqua.html\">http:\/\/catholic.net\/op\/articles\/286\/cat\/1198\/longuinqua.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Thomas Pink on Twitter <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/thomaspink1\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/thomaspink1<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Thomas Pink, \u201cConscience and Coercion\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/www.firstthings.com\/article\/2012\/08\/conscience-and-coercion\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.firstthings.com\/article\/2012\/08\/conscience-and-coercion<\/a><\/p>\n<p>This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. 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