{"id":296033,"date":"2025-05-12T20:49:24","date_gmt":"2025-05-12T20:49:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newhampshiredigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2025\/05\/12\/chris-plance-and-richard-declue-respond\/"},"modified":"2025-05-12T20:49:24","modified_gmt":"2025-05-12T20:49:24","slug":"chris-plance-and-richard-declue-respond","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/newhampshiredigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2025\/05\/12\/chris-plance-and-richard-declue-respond\/","title":{"rendered":"Chris Plance and Richard DeClue Respond"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p class=\"date\">Jul 31, 2020<\/p>\n<p>Something a little different: this is the audio from a video on<br \/>\nthe DeClue&#8217;s Views YouTube channel, which I am republishing here<br \/>\nbecause I want to give these men a wider audience.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Description:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">In a<br \/>\nrecent video,Taylor Marshall presented what he considers to be<br \/>\nerrors in the documents of the Second Vatican Council. This video<br \/>\nby Richard DeClue and Chris Plance serves as a rebuttal. It starts<br \/>\nby highlighting general problems with Marshall&#8217;s approach and the<br \/>\nspiritual dangers it entails. It then goes through each of<br \/>\nMarshall&#8217;s &#8220;errors,&#8221; offering corrective interpretations in light<br \/>\nof the documents themselves and other magisterial texts.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Time<br \/>\nStamps to Parts of this Video:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=4s\">0:00:04<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Opening<br \/>\nPrayer<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=55s\">0:00:55<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Introduction to Chris Plance<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=148s\">0:02:28<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Introduction to Richard DeClue<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=199s\">0:03:19<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Brief<br \/>\nDescription of Taylor Marshall&#8217;s Video<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=234s\">0:03:54<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Chris<br \/>\nPlance on Why We Need to Respond to TM&#8217;s Video<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=655s\">0:10:55<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Richard<br \/>\nDeClue on Why We Need to Respond to TM&#8217;s Video<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=823s\">0:13:43<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Taylor&#8217;s<br \/>\nOpening Remarks about Dialogue with Traditionalists<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=913s\">0:15:13<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Richard<br \/>\nand Chris on the Traditional Latin Mass and Traditional<br \/>\nCatholicism<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=1098s\">0:18:18<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">The Need<br \/>\nto Avoid Strawmen and the Importance of Accurately Presenting<br \/>\nMaterial<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=1410s\">0:23:30<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">The Charge<br \/>\nthat the Council was &#8220;So Long Ago&#8221; and &#8220;We&#8217;re Still Debating<br \/>\nIt&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=1699s\">0:28:19<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">The Issue<br \/>\nof Whether the Council is Binding If It Didn&#8217;t Proclaim New<br \/>\nDogmas\/Anathemas<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=2490s\">0:41:30<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">The Church<br \/>\nBefore and After Vatican II is the Same Church<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=2560s\">0:42:40<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">The<br \/>\nInfamous Schillebeecx Quote and the Need to Avoid a &#8220;Soap Opera<br \/>\nApproach&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=3006s\">0:50:06<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Lumen<br \/>\nGentium #8: Subsistit In (Subsists In)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=3629s\">1:00:29<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Lumen<br \/>\nGentium #14 On the Catholic Church as Necessary for<br \/>\nSalvation<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=3739s\">1:02:19<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Additional<br \/>\nPoint about Subsists In (Lumen Gentium #8)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=3839s\">1:03:59<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Lumen<br \/>\nGentium #16: Do Muslims Worship God?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=4883s\">1:21:23<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Lumen<br \/>\nGentium #16-17: A Preparation for the Gospel and Deceit By the Evil<br \/>\nOne<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=5270s\">1:27:50<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Nostra<br \/>\nAetate: Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian<br \/>\nReligions<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=6390s\">1:46:30<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Dignitatis<br \/>\nHumanae: Declaration on Religious Freedom<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=6985s\">1:56:25<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Unitatis<br \/>\nRedintegratio: Decree on Ecumenism vs False Ecumenism<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=7230s\">2:00:30<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Sacrosanctum Concilium: Constitution on the Sacred<br \/>\nLiturgy<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=7437s\">2:03:57<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Closing<br \/>\nRemarks<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;t=8243s\">2:17:23<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Closing<br \/>\nPrayer<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">To<br \/>\nSupport Chris Plance, go to his Patreon Page:<\/span> <a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/redirect?event=video_description&amp;v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;redir_token=QUFFLUhqbU1EWjNOM2NnSy1fRnJWaVZxMEVTcmFmOUkxUXxBQ3Jtc0tudmVVN3NBUW8yMFdRbDNOOVA5TFJXT21TeEhOblJTLUFqbWF0TEYya1kyR2xtaUZoMnc5aE9zZzJ0NDJJaXlIRTNHbXVEX0RLX3k3Vy0tMVZsaDZVcVd6VGoxOTkyTlpjeGZnVnNQRFFlVXlCc3hBaw%3D%3D&amp;q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2FCatholicLA\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/CatholicLA<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">To<br \/>\nSupport Richard DeClue, go to his Donor Box page:<\/span> <a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/redirect?event=video_description&amp;v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;redir_token=QUFFLUhqbTRad3pUalJBeTlGaWR3dnRHdWF5MHQxY1F2Z3xBQ3Jtc0ttdzVVWm5VVDU5SUQxSjZQVkpPR0pZNW9TZVN3T3o2bVV3bTl5aWQzc19nOGNtcHV4RHgxV1F4dEVhM0NyUU5GVC0tTkZyTFhlTm1uN1B1amx4TnRQM3Z6MXBVbHdGNUxOSHU4U2trNUl1NTdUeHVuWQ%3D%3D&amp;q=https%3A%2F%2Fdonorbox.org%2Fsapientia-nulliformis-blog-support\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">https:\/\/donorbox.org\/sapientia-nullif&#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">To read<br \/>\nRichard&#8217;s blog, click here:<\/span> <a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/redirect?event=video_description&amp;v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;redir_token=QUFFLUhqazh6YkQzMUtZZV9BOEh2eGFGMnZFaHJGMDJ6Z3xBQ3Jtc0tuZC1fb3RiU3ZqNW9rMEdadFZfYmxaUjZhRnMxOTgzTWp2ejBBMXRGb3ZSVi1KbzFmd2w3ZUs5eUlvNlJKWVJfTGpsYktxdnlqSkZ3VktoVnhyNDZyNzZxbndSbUd0bWkwZDRYZkUxNFQ0endXWnVfaw%3D%3D&amp;q=https%3A%2F%2Fdeclubac.wixsite.com%2Fsapientianulliformis\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">https:\/\/declubac.wixsite.com\/sapienti&#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">For the<br \/>\nDocuments of Vatican II, go to the Vatican Website:<\/span><br \/>\n<a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/redirect?event=video_description&amp;v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;redir_token=QUFFLUhqbVZITU5qMXdXTk9GbFRQWHZ3TlNFLVJZdFFxd3xBQ3Jtc0ttcDk4cDlWamUySURmakdQbUViU0RsRWNIWVN0eXhHWncwWGV1Qi1qZVl1OUJvUzM0MEJEVHk4cHl0cnV0N1MzQWJNZ0xJdlRjRUVoUkdWZ19jOFdiUzMwZzV2bktxb0xUQ1l6cWU2b0hTUW9uYWQyMA%3D%3D&amp;q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vatican.va%2Farchive%2Fhist_councils%2Fii_vatican_council%2Findex.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/archive\/hist_co&#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">Edward<br \/>\nFeser&#8217;s Blog Post:<\/span> <a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/redirect?event=video_description&amp;v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;redir_token=QUFFLUhqa1JKZWtqODVsUnR0eU04VkFTNWppQ2FJNVlCZ3xBQ3Jtc0trNjRXLVN3MkFERnlTZVo3OTZrMm1fREdrQXU5U2V0MkVjYnZXSDB4OTVhWW1jYXZPSmgwWXFGbTZ5QnJzQWluNmo3RnRuZHlFZzNfV2JrbUJUbFBxdlN0Zjg5bXlMRERUekVhOTBqSkRsTjgzY1drTQ%3D%3D&amp;q=http%3A%2F%2Fedwardfeser.blogspot.com%2F2015%2F12%2Fchristians-muslims-and-reference-of-god.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">http:\/\/edwardfeser.blogspot.com\/2015\/&#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\">For<br \/>\nMassimo Introvigne&#8217;s Article on Ratzinger and Religious<br \/>\nFreedom:<\/span> <a class=\"yt-simple-endpoint style-scope yt-formatted-string\" dir=\"auto\" spellcheck=\"false\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/redirect?event=video_description&amp;v=KeQenCC8iQo&amp;redir_token=QUFFLUhqbmIwY2loZjg5NTBTRGF4cGhmckdLSlpXeEp5QXxBQ3Jtc0tta0RSMGFQZGlxemViNHFZeWZjRER0a3BCdWxRZVRab0ZLNDlFUi0zS2x4NWhITHhmdnRjV0g3NnJPTzhxbmdkOUtLUXFNVlBidTdpSm1sOElyakhad0h2UVIwUVZCT2p3NGE1UlBzSnE5N25IYmhqVQ%3D%3D&amp;q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cesnur.org%2F2011%2Fdan-mi.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">https:\/\/www.cesnur.org\/2011\/dan-mi.html<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><script>(function(d, s, id) {\n      var js, fjs = d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0];\n      if (d.getElementById(id)) return;\n      js = d.createElement(s); js.id = id;\n      js.src = \"\/\/connect.facebook.net\/en_US\/sdk.js#xfbml=1&version=v2.8&appId=834757889913083\";\n      fjs.parentNode.insertBefore(js, fjs);\n    }(document, 'script', 'facebook-jssdk'));<\/script><br \/>\n<br \/><br \/>\n<br \/><a 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