{"id":296780,"date":"2025-07-11T21:24:58","date_gmt":"2025-07-11T21:24:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newhampshiredigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2025\/07\/11\/the-catholic-culture-podcast-ep-70-the-flannery-haunted-world\/"},"modified":"2025-07-11T21:24:58","modified_gmt":"2025-07-11T21:24:58","slug":"the-catholic-culture-podcast-ep-70-the-flannery-haunted-world","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/newhampshiredigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2025\/07\/11\/the-catholic-culture-podcast-ep-70-the-flannery-haunted-world\/","title":{"rendered":"The Catholic Culture Podcast: Ep. 70 &#8211; The Flannery-Haunted World"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p class=\"date\">Mar 24, 2020<\/p>\n<p>This episode features two young Catholic publishers who are<br \/>\ndoing cutting-edge work to preserve and carry forward the Catholic<br \/>\nliterary legacy, building on the accomplishments of the great<br \/>\nCatholic writers of the 20th century in particular.<\/p>\n<p>The first guest is Joshua Hren, founder and Editor-in-Chief of<br \/>\nWiseblood Books. Wiseblood&#8217;s focus is on cultivating and publishing<br \/>\nnew works that maintain a high standard of literary quality<br \/>\n<em>and<\/em> Catholic vision: featuring up-and-coming writers<br \/>\nalongside established successes like Dana Gioia, Samuel Hazo, James<br \/>\nMatthew Wilson, and Michael O\u2019Brien.<\/p>\n<p>Besides introducing us to the Wiseblood catalogue, Joshua talks<br \/>\nabout his own fiction and non-fiction writing and his calling as an<br \/>\neditor. He and Thomas discuss issues in Catholic fiction such the<br \/>\ndanger of a narrow preoccupation with modern neuroses, and<br \/>\nflaunting the secular taboo of \u201ccultural appropriation\u201d (e.g., the<br \/>\nidea that white authors cannot write black characters).<\/p>\n<p>The second guest is John Emmet Clarke, Editor-in-Chief of Cluny<br \/>\nMedia. This family business is preserving and reintroducing<br \/>\nforgotten Catholic classics of the 20th century, bringing to the<br \/>\nsurface the submerged lineage of many of our favorite<br \/>\nauthors\u2014republishing crucial writers like Fran\u00e7ois Mauriac, Charles<br \/>\nPeguy, and Romano Guardini.<\/p>\n<p>A recurring theme in both interviews is the influence of<br \/>\nFlannery O\u2019Connor. Wiseblood Books is, of course, named after her<br \/>\nfirst novel, though that doesn\u2019t stop Thomas and Joshua from<br \/>\nthrowing some slight, friendly shade at her dominance over the<br \/>\ndiscussion of 20th-century Catholic \u201cliterary\u201d fiction. Meanwhile,<br \/>\nJohn Emmet Clarke says that if she described the South she<br \/>\nportrayed as \u201cChrist-haunted\u201d, the Cluny catalogue could be said to<br \/>\nbe \u201cFlannery-O\u2019Connor-haunted\u201d in a reverse sense, as they publish<br \/>\nmany authors who influenced her.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Contents<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Joshua Hren<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>[4:11] The upcoming Colosseum Summer Institute, a workshop for<br \/>\npoets and fiction writers given by Josh Hren and James Matthew<br \/>\nWilson<\/p>\n<p>[9:25] The necessity of \u201ccultural appropriation\u201d in fiction<\/p>\n<p>[12:59] The mission of Wiseblood Books: \u201cWide-eyed for<br \/>\ncontinuities of beauty and truth\u201d<\/p>\n<p>[15:55] Using short-form publications to generate interest in<br \/>\nthe Catholic literary heritage<\/p>\n<p>[18:10] Dana Gioia\u2019s crucial support and encouragement<\/p>\n<p>[21:48] Michael O\u2019Brien\u2019s writings for Wiseblood about the<br \/>\nApocalypse and sexual abuse<\/p>\n<p>[24:59] Wiseblood\u2019s newest novel: Samuel Hazo\u2019s <em>If Nobody<br \/>\nCalls, I\u2019m Not Home<\/em><\/p>\n<p>[27:20] Wiseblood\u2019s residency program bringing promising<br \/>\nworks-in-progress to fruition<\/p>\n<p>[32:22] Apologia for the role of a fiction editor<\/p>\n<p>[42:43] Joshua&#8217;s conversion and marriage story<\/p>\n<p>[50:41] Joshua\u2019s fiction writing: Stream-of-consciousness,<br \/>\npoetic prose, people under pressure<\/p>\n<p>[1:05:30] Examining \u201cChrist-haunted fiction\u201d in his <em>How to<br \/>\nRead and Write Like a Catholic<\/em><\/p>\n<p>[1:13:43] The dominance of Flannery O\u2019Connor in our awareness of<br \/>\n20th-c. Catholic fiction and the need to rediscover other great<br \/>\nwriters like J.F. Powers<\/p>\n<p>[1:18:24] Is there a narrowness to O\u2019Connor\u2019s focus on uniquely<br \/>\nmodern neuroses? Contrasts with Tolkien and Manzoni<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>John Emmet Clarke<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>[1:26:18] The mission of Cluny Media: promoting the 20th-century<br \/>\nCatholic literary tradition<\/p>\n<p>[1:29:46] The process of republishing out-of-print works<\/p>\n<p>[1:32:39] Showing the hidden lineage of well-known Catholic<br \/>\nauthors; Mauriac\u2019s fiction; writers who influenced O\u2019Connor; Fulton<br \/>\nSheen<\/p>\n<p>[1:41:10] Scholarly works of Ven. Sheen<\/p>\n<p>[1:42:21] New works published by Cluny<\/p>\n<p>[1:44:09] Cluny&#8217;s connections to the Dominican Order<\/p>\n<p>[1:46:18] A family business; looking to the past for directions<br \/>\nfor the future<\/p>\n<p>[1:49:06] Cluny&#8217;s distribution partnerships with parishes<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Cluny has made a discount offer available to Catholic Culture<br \/>\nPodcast listeners. To receive the discount code, sign up to their<br \/>\nmailing list at this link and include\u00a0&#8220;Catholic Culture<br \/>\nPodcast&#8221;\u00a0in the Affiliation tab of the form. <a href=\"http:\/\/eepurl.com\/gNrNq1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">http:\/\/eepurl.com\/gNrNq1<\/a><\/p>\n<p>All of Wiseblood\u2019s offerings are discounted if purchased<br \/>\ndirectly from their website: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\">http:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Colosseum Summer Institute <a href=\"https:\/\/www.colosseuminstitute.com\/summer-institute.html\">https:\/\/www.colosseuminstitute.com\/summer-institute.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Wiseblood Books mentioned in this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ryan Wilson, <em>How to Think Like a Poet<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\/store\/p97\/How_to_Think_Like_a_Poet%2C_by_Ryan_Wilson.html\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\/store\/p97\/How_to_Think_Like_a_Poet%2C_by_Ryan_Wilson.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Dana Gioia, <em>The Catholic Writer Today and Other Essays<\/em><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\/store\/c4\/Wiseblood_Essays_.html\">https:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\/store\/c4\/Wiseblood_Essays_.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>James Matthew Wilson, <em>The River of the Immaculate<br \/>\nConception<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\/store\/p96\/The_River_of_the_Immaculate_Conception.html\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\/store\/p96\/The_River_of_the_Immaculate_Conception.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Michael D. O\u2019Brien (contributor), <em>Abuse of Sexuality in the<br \/>\nCatholic\u00a0 Church<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.divineprovidencepress.com\/store\/p10\/Abuse_of_Sexuality_in_the_Catholic_Church_%28Shipping_Included%29.html\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.divineprovidencepress.com\/store\/p10\/Abuse_of_Sexuality_in_the_Catholic_Church_%28Shipping_Included%29.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Michael D. O\u2019Brien, <em>The Apocalypse: Warning, Hope &amp;<br \/>\nConsolation<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\/store\/p93\/The_Apocalypse%3A_Warning%2C_Hope%2C_%26_Consolation.html\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\/store\/p93\/The_Apocalypse%3A_Warning%2C_Hope%2C_%26_Consolation.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Samuel Hazo, <em>If Nobody Calls, I\u2019m Not Home: The Open Letters<br \/>\nof Bim Nakely<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\/store\/p98\/IF_NOBODY_CALLS%2C_I%27M_NOT_HOME%3A_THE_OPEN_LETTERS_OF_BIM_NAKELY%2C_by_Samuel_Hazo.html\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\/store\/p98\/IF_NOBODY_CALLS%2C_I%27M_NOT_HOME%3A_THE_OPEN_LETTERS_OF_BIM_NAKELY%2C_by_Samuel_Hazo.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Writings by Joshua Hren mentioned in this<br \/>\nepisode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe First Commandment of Fiction\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/www.firstthings.com\/web-exclusives\/2020\/03\/the-first-commandment-of-fiction\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.firstthings.com\/web-exclusives\/2020\/03\/the-first-commandment-of-fiction<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u201cA Crisis of Curiositas\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/www.crisismagazine.com\/2019\/a-crisis-of-curiositas\">https:\/\/www.crisismagazine.com\/2019\/a-crisis-of-curiositas<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Joshua Hren has two forthcoming books: <em>In the Wine<br \/>\nPress<\/em>, his second collection of short stories, from Angelico<br \/>\nPress, and <em>How to Read and Write Like a Catholic<\/em>, from TAN<br \/>\nBooks. His previously published books are:<\/p>\n<p><em>This Our Exile: Short Stories<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/angelicopress.org\/product\/this-our-exile\/\">https:\/\/angelicopress.org\/product\/this-our-exile\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Middle-Earth and the Return to the Common Good: J.R.R.<br \/>\nTolkien and Political Philosophy<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B07K81KLQ5\/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B07K81KLQ5\/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Cluny Media books mentioned:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Lyra Martyrum: The Poetry of the English Martyrs,<br \/>\n1503-1681<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/product\/lyra-martyrum\/\">https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/product\/lyra-martyrum\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Fran\u00e7ois Mauriac <a href=\"https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/?s=mauriac\">https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/?s=mauriac<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Caroline Gordon, <em>The Malefactors<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/product\/the-malefactors\/\">https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/product\/the-malefactors\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Fulton Sheen <a href=\"https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/?s=sheen\">https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/?s=sheen<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Augustine Di Nioia, O.P., <em>Grace in Season<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/product\/grace-in-season\/\">https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/product\/grace-in-season\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P., <em>Philosophizing in<br \/>\nFaith<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/product\/philosophizing-in-faith\/\">https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/product\/philosophizing-in-faith\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Humbert Clerissac, O.P., <em>The Mystery of the Church<\/em><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/product\/the-mystery-of-the-church\/\">https:\/\/www.clunymedia.com\/product\/the-mystery-of-the-church\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Past podcast interviews mentioned:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Dana Gioia <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/commentary\/episode-44-catholics-need-poetry-but-do-we-want-it-dana-gioia\/\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/commentary\/episode-44-catholics-need-poetry-but-do-we-want-it-dana-gioia\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Samuel Hazo <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/commentary\/episode-28-introduction-to-maritains-poetic-philosophy-samuel-hazo\/\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/commentary\/episode-28-introduction-to-maritains-poetic-philosophy-samuel-hazo\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>James Matthew Wilson <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/commentary\/episode-57-river-immaculate-conception-james-matthew-wilson\/\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/commentary\/episode-57-river-immaculate-conception-james-matthew-wilson\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Poetry of the English Martyrs <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/commentary\/ep-69-poetry-english-martyrs-benedict-whalen\/\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/commentary\/ep-69-poetry-english-martyrs-benedict-whalen\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Matthew Minerd on Garrigou-Lagrange <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/commentary\/episode-38-sacred-monster-matthew-k-minerd\/\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.catholicculture.org\/commentary\/episode-38-sacred-monster-matthew-k-minerd\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. 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