{"id":297281,"date":"2025-08-22T21:43:46","date_gmt":"2025-08-22T21:43:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newhampshiredigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2025\/08\/22\/the-catholic-culture-podcast-episode-60\/"},"modified":"2025-08-22T21:43:46","modified_gmt":"2025-08-22T21:43:46","slug":"the-catholic-culture-podcast-episode-60","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/newhampshiredigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2025\/08\/22\/the-catholic-culture-podcast-episode-60\/","title":{"rendered":"The Catholic Culture Podcast: Episode 60"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p class=\"date\">Jan 8, 2020<\/p>\n<p>Princeton University recently hosted and funded a very Catholic<br \/>\nevent as part of its annual Being Human Festival. It was a<br \/>\nseveral-hour program dedicated to representations of St. Cecilia in<br \/>\npoetry, painting and music, exploring how a conversation between<br \/>\nthese art forms can stir us to wonder and the contemplation of the<br \/>\nDivine. The day\u2019s events included singing the Salve Regina and a<br \/>\ndinner in honor of Our Lady of Guadalupe, whose feast it was.<\/p>\n<p>In the first part of this episode, Thomas and co-host James<br \/>\nMajewski lead a roundtable discussion in which event organizer Joe<br \/>\nPerez-Benzo, painter Andrew de Sa, and singer Emily de Sa look back<br \/>\nat the event and its humanizing\/evangelizing effects on<br \/>\nparticipants. Joe explains how he was able to have an explicitly<br \/>\nCatholic event funded by an Ivy League university, and offers<br \/>\nsuggestions as to how other Catholics can replicate this success<br \/>\nwherever God has placed them.<\/p>\n<p>In part two, Andrew de Sa and poet James Matthew Wilson have fun<br \/>\nreflecting on an unexpected occurrence in which one of Andrew\u2019s<br \/>\npaintings inspired a poem by James, which in turn inspired Andrew\u2019s<br \/>\npainting of St. Cecilia (unveiled at the Princeton event). The<br \/>\nartists only became aware of this mutual inspiration after the<br \/>\nfact.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Part I<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Overview of the festival and the event\u2019s concept [4:32]<\/li>\n<li>The religious demographics of the event [12:33]<\/li>\n<li>The combination of poems and paintings holding audience<br \/>\nattention [15:32]<\/li>\n<li>Singing in a secular space filled with sacred art and the<br \/>\ndynamic of the visual elements in conjunction with song<br \/>\n[18:15]<\/li>\n<li>Andrew&#8217;s feelings around unveiling his new painting for the<br \/>\nevent [20:04]<\/li>\n<li>Joe\u2019s experience reading Latin classics at the places they<br \/>\ndescribe or sites of their composition\u2014ways of overcoming the<br \/>\nmodern isolation of works of art in a museum context [22:33]<\/li>\n<li>Singing the Salve Regina in \u201cmixed company\u201d [27:25]<\/li>\n<li>Getting the Princeton Humanities Council on board with the<br \/>\nevent, overcoming slight resistance [28:50]<\/li>\n<li>Advice for hosting similar events in public spaces or at home<br \/>\n[36:38]<\/li>\n<li>The involvement of the Carl Schmitt Foundation [40:12]<\/li>\n<li>Emily de Sa and Ruth Swope perform &#8216;Jesu Sweet&#8217; by Gustav Holst<br \/>\n[46:00]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Part II<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The providential influence between Andrew\u2019s paintings and James<br \/>\nMatthew Wilson\u2019s poem [48:31]<\/li>\n<li>Holding oneself open to inspiration and associations which can<br \/>\nmake an artwork more dense with meaning [54:46]<\/li>\n<li>Theories of literary critics on the relevance of the artist\u2019s<br \/>\nintention to the viewer\u2019s interpretation [57:17]<\/li>\n<li>Distinguishing art forms in order to unite them [1:01:40]<\/li>\n<li>Liturgy as the complete art from which the various art forms<br \/>\nflow [1:05:44]<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Photos and video:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Time lapse of Andrew de Sa painting his Flight into Egypt mural:<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=CGRiLg2dTvc\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=CGRiLg2dTvc<\/a><\/p>\n<p>That painting inspired these lines in James Matthew Wilson\u2019s<br \/>\n\u201cHasten To Aid Thy Fallen People\u201d:<\/p>\n<p><em>But every rising strain must strain indeed<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>To lend the form to what in truth is light,<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>And manifest peace as if it&#8217;s a deed<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>And give transcendence some arc of a flight.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The purity of every saint<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Will be daubed on with sloppy paint,<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>And what no thought may comprehend or say<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Must be taught in the staging of a play.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Those lines inspired Andrew de Sa\u2019s painting of St. Cecelia,<br \/>\nunveiled at the Princeton event:<\/p>\n<p><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/show\/116920\/Use_1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"204\" height=\"306\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Joe Perez-Benzo helps tourgoers enter into the mystery of the<br \/>\nIncarnation as James Majewski looks on:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/show\/116920\/Use2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"356\" height=\"267\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Emily de Sa and Ruth Swope perform Holst\u2019s <em>Four Songs for<br \/>\nVoice and Violin<\/em> in the beautiful Princeton University Art<br \/>\nMuseum: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=RYhryVUVlFI\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=RYhryVUVlFI<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Final panel with Joe Perez-Benzo, Emily de Sa and Andrew de<br \/>\nSa:<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/show\/116920\/Use_3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"356\" height=\"200\"\/><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Links<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Poetry which inspired Andrew de Sa\u2019s St. Cecilia painting:<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/studiodesa.com\/book\">http:\/\/studiodesa.com\/book<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Andrew and Emily de Sa\u2019s website: <a href=\"http:\/\/studiodesa.com\/\">http:\/\/studiodesa.com\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Andrew de Sa on Instagram: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/ajdesa\/\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/ajdesa\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>James Matthew Wilson\u2019s website: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.jamesmatthewwilson.com\/\">https:\/\/www.jamesmatthewwilson.com\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Being Human Festival: <a href=\"https:\/\/beinghumanfestival.org\/\">https:\/\/beinghumanfestival.org\/<\/a>\u00a0<br \/>\n\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>John Dryden, <em>Alexander\u2019s Feast<\/em>: <a href=\"http:\/\/jacklynch.net\/Texts\/alexander.html\">http:\/\/jacklynch.net\/Texts\/alexander.html<\/a>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Carl Schmitt Foundation: <a href=\"https:\/\/carlschmitt.org\/\">https:\/\/carlschmitt.org\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>James Matthew Wilson, <em>The River of the Immaculate<br \/>\nConception:<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\/store\/p96\/The_River_of_the_Immaculate_Conception.html\"><br \/>\nhttps:\/\/www.wisebloodbooks.com\/store\/p96\/The_River_of_the_Immaculate_Conception.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. 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